Messianic

[singingelk]

It was a disillusionment with the Gentile way of doing things that made me turn messianic years ago. It wasn't in line with scripture.

[Gwenyfur]

I grew up in a messianic home....my grandmother likes to say we were "messianic" before "messianic" became a "movement"...

I grew up learning the feasts and Torah, keeping Biblically Kosher, and keep them still today...

and I agree Singingelk...the gentile Christianity is....well....confusing...and contradictory at times...

[intricatic]

The only thing I've ever really had about Gentile Christianity (if I might borrow such a term) is the lack of emphasis on what the Old Testament has to teach. That's always bugged me, and always will. God's revelation is from page one on, and not a single gap between, before, or after.

[Gwenyfur]

we'll make a messianic out of ya yet Ian :funny:

[Annie]

sounds like ian's "gentile" days are numbered

*me steps back into the corner to lurk

[singingelk]

I have been kosher so long that the non-kosher meats turn my stomach. The smell of them make me gag.

[under His wings]

If you don't mind (I have been subscribing but just reading along), since this originally was going to be a thread teaching the rest of us that are not messianic. Could you give some details on the kosher part and the difference between the two? How you go about it today?

Hope it is okay that I am on here, the only reason I felt it was okay is bc we originally wanted a thread that could teach. I certainly won't debate anything, just want to learn.

[Annie]

good question, i'd like to know as well

[singingelk]

There is Biblical Kosher and Rabbinic Kosher. Rabbinic is from the talmud and that is mans rules not G-d's.

An example of rabbinic kosher is not eating meat and cheese together. That comes from the not boiling a kid in it mother's milk. So the rabbis created a 'curtain law' of not eating dairy and meat together.

I am going to paste from the scripture regarding what is clean (Kosher) and unclean (Non-kosher)

Lev 11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
Lev 11:3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
Lev 11:4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lev 11:5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lev 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lev 11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Lev 11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
Lev 11:9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
Lev 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
Lev 11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
Lev 11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Lev 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
Lev 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
Lev 11:15 Every raven after his kind;
Lev 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
Lev 11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
Lev 11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
Lev 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
Lev 11:20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
Lev 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
Lev 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
. . . . . .
Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

In Deuteronomy:
Deu 14:3 Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.
Deu 14:4 These are the beasts which ye shall eat: the ox, the sheep, and the goat,
Deu 14:5 The hart, and the roebuck, and the fallow deer, and the wild goat, and the pygarg, and the wild ox, and the chamois.
Deu 14:6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.
Deu 14:7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.
Deu 14:8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Deu 14:9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
Deu 14:10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
Deu 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.
Deu 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
Deu 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
Deu 14:14 And every raven after his kind,
Deu 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
Deu 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
Deu 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
Deu 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
Deu 14:19 And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
Deu 14:20 But of all clean fowls ye may eat.

Now there is kosher slaughter methods. The blood has to be drained from the animal. In the case of fowl the head is wrung off.

Here is a listing of kosher and non-kosher meats:

Considered Kosher:
* Bovines - cattle (cows),
* goats
* sheep
* American Bison
* Antelope (all species)
* Musk deer
* Deer
* Giraffes and okapis (family Giraffidae)
* Pronghorns (family Antilocapridae)
* Reindeer/caribou
* Water Buffalo
* duck
* goose
* chicken
* turkey
* guineafowl
* many others

These are the animals considered to be non-kosher according to Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.
* Bat
* Camel
* Chameleon
* Coney
* Cormorant
* Cuckow
* Eagle
* Ferret
* Gier Eagle
* Glede
* Great Owl
* Hare
* Heron
* Kite
* Lapwing
* Little Owl
* Lizard
* Mole
* Mouse
* Night Hawk
* Osprey
* Ostrich
* Ossifrage
* Owl
* Pelican
* Raven
* Snail
* Stork
* Swan
* Swine
* Tortoise
* Vulture
* Weasel

Non-kosher by their characteristics:
Abalone, Alligator, Ape, Bear, Cat, Catfish, Cheetah, Clam, Cockatoo, Crab, Crayfish, Crow, Dog, Dolphin, Donkey, Eel, Elephant, Fox, Gecko, Gibbon, Hedgehog, Lion, Lobster, Lynx, Monkey, Mussel, Parrot, Penguin, Prawns, Raccoon, Rat, Scallop, Seal, Shark, Shrimp, Squid, Squirrel, Snake, Starfish, Tiger, turtle, Wolf, Worm, Zebra etc.

Scavenging birds such as vultures and birds of prey such as hawks and eagles (which will eat carrion when they find it) are not considered kosher.

[Gwenyfur]

Originally Posted by under His wings

If you don't mind (I have been subscribing but just reading along), since this originally was going to be a thread teaching the rest of us that are not messianic. Could you give some details on the kosher part and the difference between the two? How you go about it today?

Hope it is okay that I am on here, the only reason I felt it was okay is bc we originally wanted a thread that could teach. I certainly won't debate anything, just want to learn.

the main difference between meat you buy at the supermarket adn kosher meat is basically the blood...

Now I do admit when times are tight I will buy grocer meats and salt them myself to remove the blood, but like singingelk...the smell just about gags me...

Though Aldi's frozen boneless chicken is Kosher...along with a few other of their meat products I was overjoyed to discover this!