Word of Faith

[Criada]

Hi!

[CarriGal]

Having been raised with these teachings, I'd caution one and all to be wary. They are seductive and will tickle the ears. Out of these teachings come many 'super apostles' and that is not a good thing.

[romanseight2005]

Um... instead of telling us what you don't believe, why don't you tell us what you do believe.

I thought I did. Basically I do agree with word of faith with the exception of God giving us everything we ask for, when we ask for it, even if it's flesh based. So I believe God, and I stand on His Word. Part of His scriptures state that there is a time for everything. So, I believe that He wants good things for us, but doesn't want to indulge our flesh. I do think that there may be times when I will be sick, or poor. I will ask God for healing in such a case, but if it doesn't happen, I will assume that He is telling me to wait. I would not assume that I didn't have enough faith, although I would certainly ask God to show me if that was the case, but it wouldn't be an automatic assumption. Does that clear it up a bit?

[bill16652]

I agree that when we ask it is in accordance with His will, if we are in the Spirit and asking for those things within His will it shall be given unto us but God is a good God and sometimes He gives us what we want as well as what we need

[Faith Mama]

Originally Posted by romanseight2005

Basically I do agree with word of faith with the exception of God giving us everything we ask for, when we ask for it, even if it's flesh based.

Who says WOF believes this? :confused:

[bill16652]

Is there anyone left?

[EgonTowst]

Please be very very careful with Word of Faith. There may be some people who label themselves as Word of Faith not realizing what exactly it technically teaches, but it does teach heresies. Kenneth Hagin is referred to as the "father" of the modern movement. He had no theological training, and well, yea... it's actually more similar to cults like Christian Science than Christianity. Word of Faith teaches a view of God that is actually a form of Deism, and it has a Gnostic view of revelation. And if I'm not mistaken I also think it teaches that Christ's blood alone was not enough for the redemption of man, that Jesus had to die spiritually as well, and therefore Satan had to take control of Jesus and pull Him down to hell to punish Him in order for the atonement to take place, and then Jesus had to be born-again to get out.

[Sosthenes]

My stepsister stopped getting chemotherapy because (1) she believed God would heal her and (2) she wanted to have children (chemo makes you sterile). The doctor predicted that her cancer would come back in ten years and the doctor was correct because the cancer killed her. Few things I said made a difference.

Word of Faith came from the mind science cults and I can strongly prove and allege that Kenneth Hagin plagiarized E.W. Kenyon and if you read D.R. McConnell's book "A Different Gospel" or if you google this topic (plagiarism Kenneth Hagin) then you will probably find examples of how his work is almost word for word with the other author. And it doesn't matter to bring these claims of plagiarism because I had charismatic friends who claim that God gave the revelation of E.W. Kenyon's work to Kenneth Hagin as if God supports plagiarism and stealing and you can find E.W. Kenyon's book in some Christian bookstores.

I am strongly against Word of Faith but I'll respect the other members by staying out of the debate here by not speaking against it more strongly but Word of Faith is Metaphysics or the backbone of what is Witchcraft and it is disguised as Christianity.

[Sosthenes]

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers (goes) shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

The word for "seducers" is "goes" in the Greek and it can mean "Wizard" according to Vine's or enchanter according to BlueletterBible.

When a Word of Faith teachers tells you that if you want something and all you have to do is confess it, he is basically seducing you and the confession is just a spell in metaphysics (Witchcraft).

[EgonTowst]

I have heard similar stories as well, Sosthenes. I don't like to bring it up because many of my friends are very charismatic and I don't want to unnecessarily offend them. But it is a very serious issue indeed. Some of my friends are fans of a pastor who likes to claim that the majority of my university campus is already saved but just hasn't realized it yet, and so we just need to tell others that Jesus loves them, rather than bother to share the full gospel with them, according to him, because he claims he's seen a vision of our auditorium jammed packed with people praising God. And he says he knows it's going to happen because he's seen it.

I've heard stories of people with AIDS being told by word-of-faith pastors that they are healed - I wonder how many people they've slept with sense then by believing that. I've actually heard of people dieing from sicknesses they could have been cured from or at least treated for, simply because they denied treatment because a pastor laid their hands on them and told them they were healed. And their justification for these beliefs, by the way, I would argue, involve serious twisting of the Scripture.

I don't mean to bash on those personally who believe that the Word of Faith doctrines are correct, but I do strongly believe that they are false teachers and they need to be exposed because this is very dangerous. Faith in God means faith in His Word, not faith in our own ability to believe something regardless of the circumstances. A lot of teachings in the Word of Faith movement can be demonstrated to be heretical because they actually lead to the doctrine of justification by works. What concerns me most about the movement is that many Word of Faith teachers and their fans test the truthfulness of doctrine by experience, rather than the opposite way around as God has warned us (Jer. 17:9). They try to use 1 Cor. 16:22 to silence all doctrinal discussion, which basically implies that we are to simply believe anyone who claims to be of God is being truthful.