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Old 10-04-2007, 07:43 PM
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Our daughter goes to a private Christian school and has home work nearly every night. However she is only in grade one so the projects have not yet come. I have found that the home work that she does have is reasonable.

When projects and the like does start being assigned to my daughter for homework I will help her but I will not do it for her. If she is having difficulties with something I would rather work with her teacher or the tutors that are available through our school. I do not like the idea of doing her assignments/projects for her. In the end, I would rather her fail a assignment than have it completed under false pretenses.

I personally think that doing your child's home work is wrong for many reasons.

First I think that it undermines the fact that not everything is easy or natural. In fact there are somethings that frankly we are just not good at. However, when it comes to school related things, most can be picked up with a little elbow grease (except French which was my bane in high school). When it comes to the work place or even on the home front, I think that they need to learn early in life that hard work and determination is required to be successful.

Second I think that it is dishonest. The students are given home work for them to do not their parents. Parents doing home work for them and then the student taking it back to school and handing it in is in as their own is lying to their teachers. So in this way it doesn't teach our children honesty.

Finally we rob our children of the knowledge that they would have gained by doing their homework or assignment. Not just the knowledge but also refining the skills required to complete it.
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we started Bug in a christian school last year. Love it!

She has relevant homework, that directly applies to what they're doing in class...and no homework on Wed nights to allow for church.

It's worth every single sacrifice we're making to keep her there this year.
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Old 10-11-2007, 08:49 PM
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we started Bug in a christian school last year. Love it!

She has relevant homework, that directly applies to what they're doing in class...and no homework on Wed nights to allow for church.

It's worth every single sacrifice we're making to keep her there this year.
Cool! That is neat, my daughters school doesn't give homework on Wednesdays for the same reason. They encourage the students to attend the Bible club that happens every Wednesday night.

It my hurt the wallet at it but it is so worth it. Best investment we have ever made too.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:41 AM
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I absolutely refuse to do my children's homework for them. I figure if they really, truly can not do it on their own, the teacher must not be doing their job teaching the material. It's really bad when my sixth grader brings home more homework than I have for my college classes. My third grader isn't too bad this year. She has minimal assignments on Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday. There is no homework on Wednesday because so many kids go to church programs Wednesday night. My son's teachers, on the other hand, do not care if he goes to church...he brings home as much on Wednesday as any other day. I am seriously considering home schooling him because he is having such a hard time...especially with the latest bit of news out of California that is going to affect every state in the U.S.
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It used to be a big headache for me to supervise my son doing his math homework. But with Beestar, it has been a completely different story. My son enjoys it very much. Every Sunday, he cannot wait to check his name on the honor roll. I start to realize that my son in fact is quite talented, as long as he is directed to the right place and the right stuff... Now he is the top math boy in his class. I'm so happy about it.
I hope more parents get to know the website Beestar.org.I believe many more families would benefit from Beestar like we do.
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Sophia (beautiful name, btw), could you tell us more about beestar? I have never heard of it.
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Honestly, that's really not something I've ever given much thought to. If my kids needed help, I helped them. Sometimes that even meant doing an assignment for them (ok, so it was nice to know I can still pull A's, lol).

On one hand I can see where parents doing the assignments for the kids is harmful, but on the other hand...no one excels in all areas and one of the most important things I've tried to teach my kids is that it isn't always a matter of knowing the information so much as knowing your resources to get the information.

One thing in the article jumped out at me though and it was the bit on busy-work versus relevant work. It was nice to see a distinction made between the two forms homework can take. Personally I find busy-work to be a fault on the part of the teacher; amounting to a lack of effort to come up with an assignment that actually relates to the material. Then again, I'm not a teacher so I could be mistaken.
Wow... that's, um, pretty bad.

I had a student whose mom did his homework. I ended up having to have him come to my class every afternoon homework was assigned to do it there because I couldn't assess his progress accurately or create appropriate lessons to teach him otherwise.

It's even worse that you excuse that behavior by saying "no one excels in all areas." That's generally true, but that doesn't mean that just because the student doesn't excel in the area he or she shouldn't do his or her best to master the concept or skill. If nothing else, it's a good opportunity to teach study skills -- that some subjects you can do well fairly easily while others you have to dedicate more time to in order to succeed.

I'm not so great with math, but in college I studied hours a night to succeed.

I agree with you that busy-work is a waste of time for everyone involved. I have never assigned it, and don't intend to ever assign it. The homework I assign is meant to accomplish one or both of the following:
1. Independent practice of a skill that has been modeled and practiced (with help from me or other students) in class. What I get tells me whether or not I need to continue teaching that skill or if I can move on.
2. Preparation for the next lesson. For example, it may be to read an article or a passage in a book so we can analyze it the following day in class. When reading is assigned, it should be at the student's independent reading level -- it should be something they can read without instruction.

I tell my students (and state in my syllabus for the parents) that if I cannot defend the purpose behind any assignment I give, then they don't have to do it. I generally tell my students why we are doing what we are doing, though I have forgotten to at times. When that happens, a student will ask, "Why do we have to do this?" and I answer thoroughly. That doesn't mean the students love my homework, but at least they know it's not busy-work.

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Do you know WHY many parents start homeschooling? They realize they are doing a lot of teaching helping their kids do their homework. Some experts say no more than 30 minutes of homework a day and I have friends who has spent from time they get home from school, to late going to bed trying to do homework. That's really too much, cause the teachers either don't have a lot of time to teach, cause of doing extra things. There was a survey of teachers in a teacher's magazine said that the average child gets 3-3 1/2 hours of true schooling a day out of an 7 hour day (some days not even that). Most parents don't even realize they are really the ones doing the teaching.
Parents should be a part of a child's education. My parents supplemented my public school education by encouraging reading, discussing what I was learning, fostering curiosity, and teaching me how to find answers to my questions. That didn't make what my teachers taught me any less valuable. It did make me value what I learned at school much more, though. Students whose parents aren't involved in their children's education tend to as well as students whose parents are involved.

As far as homework loads go, that varies. My honors students get quite a bit. My regular students get a healthy amount and sometimes go without when they're not ready to practice something on their own.

I'm not sure what these "extra things" teachers have to do are that you're referring to. My students are learning from bell to bell (it could be direct teaching, guided practice, independent practice, one-on-one conferences... but it's learning). Very rarely there will be an assembly or something that infringes on that time, but definitely not something that would cut instructional time in half.

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I absolutely refuse to do my children's homework for them. I figure if they really, truly can not do it on their own, the teacher must not be doing their job teaching the material.
When my students really, truly cannot do their work on their own, I ask them to describe (in writing) to me at what point they got stuck, and what strategies they tried to get unstuck (we go over and practice a bunch of these strategies in class). I ask them to put in a good faith effort before giving up.

This serves three purposes:
1. It helps me help them.
2. It doesn't allow them to just say "I don't get it" and give up. Regardless, they have to work. It's either going to be the homework, or it's going to be an analysis of why they can't do the homework.
3. It teaches problem-solving skills and when it's appropriate to ask for help. Many students present what is called "learned helplessness" where they've gotten along for so long saying they can't do something and getting someone else to do it for them, that they simply have no idea how to do work on their own. This is one way to combat that problem.


That was pretty long. I'm pretty passionate about defending the public school system, though.
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I have to say living in California I dislike the public schools systems intensely!

I live in the Bay Area so that may be part of the reasons. Our schools are overly Liberal and forcing students to study things that most parents would not agree too.

Like my neighbors kid has to watch Al Gore's propaganda film about supposed global warming as fact.

Unacceptable...

They also spend hours teach all these religions but NOT the basics of Christianity.

You may not be one of these teachers, but many here teach our kids their agenda and I find that horrific. They should be teaching facts not opinions.
I have to correct my step-kids thinking quite a bit and now they know when the see something in school that isnt "right" BUT many other children do not have the luxury of having parents who discuss everything with them and therfore get indoctrinated to fables, and theories as fact..

I am all for homeschooling if the Parents have the patience, because our school are falling sooooooooooooo short

They pass kids to get money

My friends child got all F's and still got to go to the next grade...HOW???

You are setting kids up for failure in the real world doing that.
Not everyone is a winner

OK thats all I have to say, but being in the Bay Area and raising kids is hell, I would not recommend it to anyone unless they don't care if their kids turn out really confused and uneducated!
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Old 02-24-2008, 09:29 PM
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I needed to add that this is why I think it is so crucial that Parents interact with their kids and teach them to question things and look for their own answers. Not to believe everything someone tells you. Find out for yourself!
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Old 02-24-2008, 10:18 PM
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Who passes kids to get money? That's not how we get paid (and I work in California). They actually banned the monetary rewards for high performing schools several years ago (8, if I remember correctly), and even those were based on standardized test scores, not grades.

There is social promotion because it's been deemed inappropriate to have 17 year olds in Middle Schools for what should be obvious reasons. Students can be held back in 3rd and 5th grade in many districts. It used to be 3rd, 5th and 8th. It varies district by district, of course, but I don't know of any who will hold a student back more than three years. In high school, if you don't get your credits, you don't graduate. Simple enough.

Because of this, I teach many tenth graders who read at a 5th grade level (and some below even that). That's a challenge, but I think it's way less of a challenge than teaching a 16 year-old in a 5th grade class.

I am careful not to make my own political opinions obvious. Instead, when the unit requires that we read editorials, political speeches, religious topics, etc., I play devil's advocate. One day I'll support one position, only to support the opposite the next day and let studenst know it's up to them to judge the evidence, decide if they trust the authors and come to their own conclusions. It's part of the standards to teach how to evaluate the validity of an argument, detect bias, etc. I ask them to evaluate and detect bias in my (often planned and sometimes totally against what I really believe) arguments, too. It's an invaluable skill for soon--to-be-voters to have.

It's my job to get my kids to be critical thinkers, critical readers, and effective writers, not to make them into little clones of me.

As far as the Bay Area... that's my dream gig. Seriously. I love that part of the state. It doesn't sound like it's a perfect fit for you, though. We should trade spaces.
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